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quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky Who are the b5/UCL guys who aren’t getting called in? Will they be in the major leagues next year or drop (like EPB)?

quin, from space Derek K Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky My point is that the US system has been producing talented Americans well before MLS

It doesn’t appear that MLS has accelerated that progress in any meaningful way

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky Jozy
DMB
Boca
MB
Cherundolo
Clark
Watford
Dempsey
LD
Howard
Oguchi
Spector
Edu
Guzan
Holden

Does that seem so different than today?

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky They’re in the minors (or will be next year)

Curtis Murry ⚽🇺🇸 Well, Zimmerman, long and MRob are getting multiples of what they’d receive in Europe

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky brooks/pefok/maloney weren’t domestic so has nothing to do w/MLS. LdlT wasn’t MLS either

the US is developing better players & MLS is simply aggregating them, not developing them

TBF, academies are free so that a benefit but they’re getting that back w/TC/solidarity comp now

quin, from space Derek K Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky There is more depth but what credit MLS gets is debatable

If an academy was consistently churning out b5 level prospects every couple of years, that indicates a program that both recruits & develops talent

The US doesnt have that yet but perhaps some are starting to get there

Derek K quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky Could you answer a simple question?

Did whitecaps develop Davies more than Hershey developed CP?

Is that a basis for claiming progress?

USMNT_STAN Alexi Lalas Same place that PPP forgiveness “went”

wannabGM ChocoMil I think coach stoutland has earned the right to make calls on the OLine talent - if he thinks steen isn’t ready, I’d go with that

Derek K quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky Of course. But top academies develop players after they recruit them

Did Hershey develop CP?

Did whitecaps develop Davies?

If so, who are the other top tier players who have followed them?

SoccerDadinCali Arturo J Chesterton III ChambersWI Stop

We had a much lower talent pool level and got the the same place that the wife beater has

He has never gotten the team to play to the sum of its parts,
let alone better

We r not a top 15 team talent wise but we’re up about 15 slots from where we used to be

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky Same with today’s list (both with club and usmnt)

So…the overall numbers are worse/the same than in 2010 but you think that means that MLs academies have meaningful impact? Hmmmmm

@DHC1 Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky The difference is that now a lot of the guys who are major contributers in Europe can't even get called up so it looks worse on the surface

@DHC1 Derek K quin, from space Gio Toxique Who is Hershey?

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky I’d argue MLS recruits talent rather than develops them

We had elite talents before MLS academies

Job, reyna, Clint, LD, BMB, etc and CP more recently

Are there meaningfully more b5/UCL players now than before?

quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky At b5/UCL

No MLS academy
CP
JS
Ream
Horvath

Dubious MLS
Wes
Richards
Gio
Weah
Paredes

Full MLS
Adams
Scally
Pepi
Turner
BA

wannabGM ChocoMil Always good to question but if there’s one coach to give benefit of the doubt to, it’s coach stoutland IMO

@DHC1 quin, from space Gio Toxique Andrew Visnovsky neither one of us would know this for a fact, dope